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Published on February 22, 2004 By Steve Walters In Current Events
Former Senator Max Cleland is bashing Bush, again. The same man using his Vietnam war record, where he didn't lose limbs on the battlefield but from a dropped grenade on a non-combat mission, is claiming that Bush is "attacking" John Kerry's voting record, where Kerry' record is weak on military issues.

These "attacks" come, not from Bush, but from Bush supporter Sen. Saxby Chamblis, who was speaking for the Bush re-election campaign. Chamblis said Kerry has a “32-year history of voting to cut defense programs and cut defense systems.”

So, in tried and true fashion, Kerry responded, in a letter to Bush: “As you well know, Vietnam was a very difficult and painful period in our nation’s history, and the struggle for our veterans continues. So, it has been hard to believe that you would choose to reopen these wounds for your personal political gain. But, that is what you have chosen to do.”

Cutting defense progams and systems are reopening wounds? Gee whiz, Mr. Kerry, if you feel THAT bad about your flip-flopping voting/support record.....

Standing in Georgia with Cleland, Kerry said, "Saxby Chambliss, on the part of the president and his henchmen, decided today to question my commitment to the defense of our nation."

Chamblis said about Kerry, very succinctly, "He has a long history, particularly in the last decade, of not only voting to cut intelligence spending, but introducing bills to cut intelligence spending." No mystery, no attack, just some facts.

So here's what Cleland said: "For Saxby Chambliss, who got out of going to Vietnam because of a trick knee, to attack John Kerry as weak on the defense of our nation is like a mackerel in the moonlight that both shines and stinks." The same, aformentioned Cleland, coincedentally ran against Chamblis in the 2002 Georgia senate race, and lost.

"You answered without saying anything... THAT'S politics" - Arthur Kennedy, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA

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on Feb 22, 2004
Cleland lost his legs and arm as a company commander during the Vietnam War (he was a volunteer). His Republican opponent, Saxby Chambliss, ran an ad which "opened with pictures of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, then attacked Cleland for voting against President Bush's Homeland Security bill." source: Veterans for Peace

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"Immediately the ad was denounced, not just by Democrats but also by two Republican senators -- John McCain and Chuck Hagel, both of them Vietnam veterans."

"I've never seen anything like that ad," says McCain. "Putting pictures of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden next to a picture of a man who left three limbs on the battlefield -- it's worse than disgraceful, it's reprehensible."

Irate, Hagel told Republican officials that if they didn't pull the ad, he would make an ad denouncing them. After that, Chambliss's campaign removed the pictures of Hussein and bin Laden from the ad.

"Max Cleland has given as much to this country as any living human being," Hagel says. "To say he is in some way connected to people like Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein was beyond offensive to me. It made me recoil, quite honestly."

Asked recently for comment, Chambliss responded through a spokesman that he did not want to discuss the ad or Cleland.
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Gainesville Times




on Feb 22, 2004
It is simply a fact that Max Cleland was not injured by enemy fire in Vietnam. He was not in combat, he was not – as Al Hunt claimed – on a reconnaissance mission, and he was not in the battle of Khe Sanh, as many others have implied. He picked up an American grenade on a routine noncombat mission and the grenade exploded.

In Cleland's own words: "I didn't see any heroism in all that. It wasn't an act of heroism. I didn't know the grenade was live. It was an act of fate." That is why Cleland didn't win a Purple Heart, which is given to those wounded in combat. (FrontPageMag)

"He told the pilot he was going to stay awhile. Maybe have a few beers with friends. ... Then Cleland looked down and saw a grenade. Where'd that come from? He walked toward it, bent down, and crossed the line between before and after." (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Dec. 5, 1999)

"Cleland was no war hero, but his sacrifice was great. ... Democratic Senate candidate Max Cleland is a victim of war, not a casualty of combat. He lost three limbs on a long-forgotten hill near Khe Sanh because of some American's mistake ..." (Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Sept. 29, 1996)

The story started to change only last year when the Democrats began citing Cleland's lost Senate seat as proof that Republicans hate war heroes. Indeed, until the myth of Republicans attacking Cleland for his lack of "patriotism" became central to the Democrats' narrative against George Bush, Cleland spoke only honorably and humbly about his accident. "How did I become a war hero?" he said to the Boston Globe reporter in 1997. "Simple. The grenade went off." (FPM)

Cleland's true heroism came after the war, when he went on to build a productive life for himself. That is a story of inspiration and courage. He shouldn't let the Democrats tarnish an admirable life by "sexing up" his record in order to better attack George Bush. (FPM)
on Feb 23, 2004
so we agree: chambliss merely compared a vietnam war veteran who lost three limbs to osama bin laden and sadaam hussein, and not a war hero.

where is the "myth" of republicans attacking cleland's patriotism? chambliss ran an ad that "opened with pictures of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, then attacked Cleland for voting against President Bush's Homeland Security bill." comparing someone to those two counts as attacking that person's patriotism in my book.
on Feb 26, 2004
i just found out you're wrong:

“Captain Cleland distinguished himself by exceptionally valorous action on 4 April 1968 … during an enemy attack near Khe Sanh.

“When the battalion command post came under a heavy enemy rocket and mortar attack, Captain Cleland, disregarding his own safety, exposed himself to the rocket barrage as he left his covered position to administer first aid to his wounded comrades. He then assisted in moving the injured personnel to covered positions.

“Continuing to expose himself, Captain Cleland organized his men into a work party to repair the battalion communications equipment, which had been damaged by enemy fire.

“His gallant action is in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflects great credit upon himself, his unit and the United States Army.”


this is the citation for his freaking silver star. the grenade accident came four days afterwards. so he is a war hero.

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on Feb 26, 2004
You know, there are probably many, many more soldiers, in that war or ANY war we've had, who have gone through the same, if not more, harrowing events of warfare, who have not come forward for their commendation or have died, and have never received any recognition.

You, Russell, gave me the Silver Star citation story. So why am I only hearing it now? I'm not chastising you, I'm thanking you for the truth. I'm tired of hearing of stories told and retold and retold until they only faintly resemble the actual events. Cleland lost limbs from an ACCIDENT. Not in combat. He received, as you state, a Silver Star for OTHER actions.

So no, I am not wrong in saying Cleland didn't lose his limbs in battle. I'm wrong because I quoted someone who said Cleland was not a war hero.

I stand corrected.